Every Monday, to set the tone for the rest of the week, Nights features a guest who shares a whakataukī - a Māori proverb - that's meaningful to them.
Robert Sullivan is a poet and an associate professor in creative writing at Massey University who has just published his latest book of poems, Hopurangi: Songcatcher, with Auckland University Press.
He joins Emile Donovan.
Robert Sullivan Photo: supplied
